If you kill a loyal denizen of an organization, expect that each member of that organization would want to kill you in return using any means possible. If you want a good old White Knight Duel To The Death, engage each other in a more personal, I Want Your Head In A Pike manner, something that targets a person and not an organization.
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Also, I HEART defiler. Trees are lovely, even twisted ones!
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To be honest, I have a pretty negative experience with/view of "RP" in some ways (not here, from Achaea, but I worry that the things I don't like are probably common issues in any RP game). I'm really leery of some aspects of it. I've seen it end up forcing people to do lots of tedious "requirements" that seem to do nothing but build over time unless an org really dies down for awhile (which, mercifully, Imperian orgs do more than Achaean ones). I recently had to come up with a "task" for someone in a sect, and... I hope I made it something that character would actually enjoy. I asked him some questions about what he liked to do and what he felt his strengths were and then made up a little adventure for him to go on and then report back about. But... I am just leery of that whole sort of RP. I think there is so much that can go wrong. If it's "on the fly", you can have people being very arbitrary, and if it's codified, it can be equally arbitrary, but now it's something everyone will have to suffer through. Our basic newbie intro stuff in the guild is extremely straightforward and geared towards making sure they have the stuff they need and can use it (and I hope it stays that way). I have mixed feelings about our current city promotion requirements. In short, I think they could afford some streamlining. Septus and Khizan in particular still battlefield promote anyway... and I think *especially* newer members really enjoy that sort of thing.
The other big thing is people getting all uppity over their GR/CR. It's often not the actual leaders (though it can be), but literally just people who have a high rank in the org looking to lord over others. Our guild leadership very squarely quashed a pretty brazen attempt to formally reinstate just that sort of officious treatment of "lesser" guild members not too long ago. And that's not to say I don't enjoy reading some of the logs or interacting with the other circles. But really, I view all adventurers in any IRE game as being sort of bored, probably somewhat petty, semi-immortal, fairly powerful beings (which I think is pretty accurate). So to me, everything actually starts with that.
Of course I know that the organization would want the person dead who killed their loyal. But why in the earth would you stay put and wait for the zergtrain to rush you? If I see that I just simply can't handle the situation, I will flee. And for the love of god, I'm not the only one.
I recently had to come up with a "task" for someone in a sect, and... I hope I made it something that character would actually enjoy. I asked him some questions about what he liked to do and what he felt his strengths were and then made up a little adventure for him to go on and then report back about.
Abigail is an ephor. I mean, she may be tolerable now but this is the same person who was banned/shrubbed for spamming market with racial epithets. I'm not saying that it is anyone's fault that people are leaving, but damn.
Maybe if you weren't letting the inmates run your goddamn asylum you wouldn't be in a situation where all your reasonable players are running away from it.
"On the battlefield I am a god. I love war. The steel, the smell, the corpses. I wish there were more. On the first day I drove the Northmen back alone at the ford. Alone! On the second I carried the bridge! Me! Yesterday I climbed the Heroes! I love war! I… I wish it wasn’t over."
I've been around for just a few months. My total playing time is like 2 years. I haven't invested like 6-10 years of my life into this game like some of you. So I don't know everyone's past like you all do. Nobody runs Stavenn but Stavenn. I didn't elect anyone Ephor. I appoint people Ministers who ask to be Ministers, which usually totals like 1 person.
I do my best to make Stavenn a good city. I don't let "inmates run my asylum." Everyone has their part. Personally I couldn't care less if people want to AFK in Victory circle or mudsex in Kinsarmar. I'm doing my best. So stop being so rude. It's uncalled for.
Edit: If everyone has such a problem with Abigail and if she was banned for racial slurs (which I was unaware of and have nothing to do with), blame the admin, not me. I don't have **** to do with that. Okay?
(Ring): Lartus says, "I heard Theophilus once threw a grenade and killed ten people." (Ring): Lartus says, "Then it exploded."
(Ring): Zsetsu says, "Everyone's playing checkers, but Theophilus is playing chess."
Khizan's method of relaying his opinion is often harsh but it is usually poignant. I don't think he is suggesting that you propped her up yourself, but rather you tacitly approved it by allowing her to remain in your org despite her notoriously bad attitude & her distasteful previous actions.
It boils down to you being a major org leader and having made a tacit decision some people disagree with and are criticizing. Abigail does what Abigail does, but you can't possibly assign all the responsibility for your members' actions on the admin for having let him or her back into the game.
Until Abigail does something that deserves being ousted while I'm Imperator, I have no right to oust her... regardless of her past.
She has actually been quite helpful to everyone from what I've seen. I know nothing of her little moment of insanity.
Moments. Plural.
I am okay with second chances. I am okay with third chances, even, but Abigail is far beyond third chances. She's somewhere around the thirty-second chance or thereabouts and every time somebody gives her a chance with an organization she starts out decently and then ends up pissing it away before burning out spectacularly.
Today's "LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT ALL THE DRUGS I TOOK BECAUSE I TOOK ALL THE DRUGS" stuff is pretty much where all these burnouts start, too; it is a cycle I am (sadly) all too familiar with.
"On the battlefield I am a god. I love war. The steel, the smell, the corpses. I wish there were more. On the first day I drove the Northmen back alone at the ford. Alone! On the second I carried the bridge! Me! Yesterday I climbed the Heroes! I love war! I… I wish it wasn’t over."
Okay, you're right. She may have had many moments. None of which I am aware of.
If you or anyone else who has been around forever were Imperator, you could oust her. I didn't citizen her. When I came back, she was General under Iniar. I don't know how long she was Stavennite before that.
All it boils down to is I have no good reason to make her leave Stavenn and if other citizens leave because of her, I can't help it. They should come to me IC and say, "Hey, I'm leaving Stavenn because of Abi or whoever" instead of some crap like, "I want to embark on a new adventure," or "I want to advance in my Khandavan guild," or anything that isn't the real truth. All Stavennites have to say is "I am going to leave the city if this doesn't change" and it will change. It isn't that hard. Forums and IG are two completely separate things.
(Ring): Lartus says, "I heard Theophilus once threw a grenade and killed ten people." (Ring): Lartus says, "Then it exploded."
(Ring): Zsetsu says, "Everyone's playing checkers, but Theophilus is playing chess."
Whew. Don't want to get in the middle of this wailing contest, but I went Khandava because I really just love trees.
With that said, I HEART Khandava and its weirdness for being Demonic-but-was-previously-Magick vibe. Did you know we had a Bard from the old days log in and freak out a bit that everything was demonicky
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The number of people who will ever give you a straight "I am bored, see you in a few months" when switching orgs is very small. This has always seemed strange to me, as this in my opinion is a very good reason to switch. Bored people find it very hard to be engaging, keep other people engaged, and tend to just make your org a less fun place for both him/herself and other people. (They also tend to inevitably go inactive, which helps noone.) Basically, its a game, its meant to be fun.
It is almost definitely not your falt, Theophilus. People get bored. People bandwagon. This happens to every single circle (it does seem to happen to Demonic more than others for whatever reason). The best thing you can reallistically do is to try and isolate things that may be forcing people away, and to not blame people for leaving. Org membership is never an obligation, and if you're cool when someone does decide to change things up, you're much more likely to see them rejoining when they inevitably get bored again with where ever they switched to. If you treat someone like the plague for leaving (not saying you are - you seem to be pretty chill about the whole thing), you will probably be counting that person gone for years rather than months.
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(Ring): Lartus says, "Then it exploded."
(Ring): Zsetsu says, "Everyone's playing checkers, but Theophilus is playing chess."
And while I'm here, I
(Ring): Lartus says, "Then it exploded."
(Ring): Zsetsu says, "Everyone's playing checkers, but Theophilus is playing chess."
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(Ring): Lartus says, "Then it exploded."
(Ring): Zsetsu says, "Everyone's playing checkers, but Theophilus is playing chess."
(Ring): Lartus says, "Then it exploded."
(Ring): Zsetsu says, "Everyone's playing checkers, but Theophilus is playing chess."
Just make sure you don't summon random demon lords...
(Ring): Lartus says, "Then it exploded."
(Ring): Zsetsu says, "Everyone's playing checkers, but Theophilus is playing chess."
Maybe if you weren't letting the inmates run your goddamn asylum you wouldn't be in a situation where all your reasonable players are running away from it.
"On the battlefield I am a god. I love war. The steel, the smell, the corpses. I wish there were more. On the first day I drove the Northmen back alone at the ford. Alone! On the second I carried the bridge! Me! Yesterday I climbed the Heroes! I love war! I… I wish it wasn’t over."
(Ring): Lartus says, "Then it exploded."
(Ring): Zsetsu says, "Everyone's playing checkers, but Theophilus is playing chess."
(Ring): Lartus says, "Then it exploded."
(Ring): Zsetsu says, "Everyone's playing checkers, but Theophilus is playing chess."
Moments. Plural.
I am okay with second chances. I am okay with third chances, even, but Abigail is far beyond third chances. She's somewhere around the thirty-second chance or thereabouts and every time somebody gives her a chance with an organization she starts out decently and then ends up pissing it away before burning out spectacularly.
Today's "LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT ALL THE DRUGS I TOOK BECAUSE I TOOK ALL THE DRUGS" stuff is pretty much where all these burnouts start, too; it is a cycle I am (sadly) all too familiar with.
"On the battlefield I am a god. I love war. The steel, the smell, the corpses. I wish there were more. On the first day I drove the Northmen back alone at the ford. Alone! On the second I carried the bridge! Me! Yesterday I climbed the Heroes! I love war! I… I wish it wasn’t over."
(Ring): Lartus says, "Then it exploded."
(Ring): Zsetsu says, "Everyone's playing checkers, but Theophilus is playing chess."
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The number of people who will ever give you a straight "I am bored, see you in a few months" when switching orgs is very small. This has always seemed strange to me, as this in my opinion is a very good reason to switch. Bored people find it very hard to be engaging, keep other people engaged, and tend to just make your org a less fun place for both him/herself and other people. (They also tend to inevitably go inactive, which helps noone.) Basically, its a game, its meant to be fun.
It is almost definitely not your falt, Theophilus. People get bored. People bandwagon. This happens to every single circle (it does seem to happen to Demonic more than others for whatever reason). The best thing you can reallistically do is to try and isolate things that may be forcing people away, and to not blame people for leaving. Org membership is never an obligation, and if you're cool when someone does decide to change things up, you're much more likely to see them rejoining when they inevitably get bored again with where ever they switched to. If you treat someone like the plague for leaving (not saying you are - you seem to be pretty chill about the whole thing), you will probably be counting that person gone for years rather than months.