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  • RaykelRaykel Member Posts: 67 ✭✭✭
    Oh, I also might have allied myself with AM for a shardfall. This is a war of confusion.
  • IsadarrIsadarr Member Posts: 11 ✭✭
    People whine about nothing happening ever. So Stavenn gets some RP, and some old people are whining that it's happening. 

    Hate to break it to you, but....

    GODS R DEAD. THEY AIN'T COMING BACK SON.

    MOVE ON.
  • AhkanAhkan Member Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oh m god. the gods are dead
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    f2o3j021 9-1ei12i-e-02i=1=cai q-21211dk ]1

  • IniarIniar Member Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How fun Stavenn has become. <3
    wit beyond measure is a Sidhe's greatest treasure
  • CassiusCassius Member, Beta Testers Posts: 607 ✭✭✭
    Iniar said:
    How fun Stavenn has become. <3
    Sounds like a trollingly good time for all!
  • AhkanAhkan Member Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2014

    Do they do things that are old-time and probably annoying as balls? Yes.
    Is that the history Stavenn was founded on? Yes.
    Do I think it's the best thing for Stavenn and the game? Unsure, leaning towards no.

    It's rough around the ages and sort of exploitative*, but at least it's something. Considering the lack of support, guidance, story-line, they're sticking to their roots and actually doing something. So regardless of my feelings on it, at least they're trying to do something. Basically, they're one up on you, Kinsarmarian pride and all.

    Everything AM has done of note falls under this asterisk. Player driven RP is always annoying to someone and always ends in an endurance slugfest.
  • IniarIniar Member Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2014
    @Cassius:

    Oh, the raiding and other pk-related nonsense is for our PK-hungry mongrels. (<3 you guys)

    I was referring to our newly revamped couture, I mean culture, our deepening RP decision trees, our OOC banter and our general vim and vigour for all things bathed in blood and things. 

    Stavenn is truly becoming a one-stop hub for all kinds of players from all walks of life, where everyone gets to party and have fun, no matter their preferences.


    Edit: Also, consider this. If you hate our guts, we're probably doing our job description rightly. Think about it from our perspective: how much harder is it to have to persuade new players to stay, given that our RP is essentially 'We're douchebags.'

    It is extremely monumental what we have to achieve in Stavenn, that which Magick easily takes for granted: the 'kind' of 'new' players that we retain are those who feel the need to prove something, that they are 'good' at PvP. That is fine, but then to even match the player-attraction of both AM and Magick, we need to not only create an environment for PvP-wannabes (like me) and hardcore RPers to coexist, but to respect and value each other. Without this, our RPers just leave. You face no such problem because your RP environment doesn't innately scream 'Be awesome aka strong or be downtrodden.' There is much more believable room for negotiation, interpretation and mediation.
    Post edited by Iniar on
    wit beyond measure is a Sidhe's greatest treasure
  • AhkanAhkan Member Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @Iniar

    Things get amazing when Cassius can/does/will/would do what he's complaining about Stavenn doing.
  • CassiusCassius Member, Beta Testers Posts: 607 ✭✭✭
    edited October 2014
    Ahkan said: stuff
    Iniar said: stuff
    I didn't say it had to stop. Just called a spade a spade.
  • EldrethEldreth Member Posts: 430 ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2014
    Iniar said:
    @Cassius:

    Edit: Also, consider this. If you hate our guts, we're probably doing our job description rightly.
    Way to bastardize the unofficial Bellatores motto of, "if they aren't complaining about you, you are doing it wrong" :(

    My only thought on lumberjacking (which I don't have issues with, if you take it for the griefing tool it is) is that it is a one-way, no-risk mechanic - sure magickers can temporarily chase lumberjackers off, but options to "hit back" in some similar fashion, also known as "faux harm", are pretty limited. Maybe the comm (and sect) changes will add additional quasi-revenge conflict mechanisms.
    “We abjure labels. We fight for money and an indefinable pride. The politics, the ethics, the moralities, are irrelevant."
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  • IniarIniar Member Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cassius said:
    Ahkan said: stuff
    Iniar said: stuff
    I didn't say it had to stop. Just called a spade a spade.
    image
    wit beyond measure is a Sidhe's greatest treasure
  • IniarIniar Member Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2014
    Eldreth said:
    Iniar said:
    @Cassius:

    Edit: Also, consider this. If you hate our guts, we're probably doing our job description rightly.
    Way to bastardize the unofficial Bellatores motto of, "if they aren't complaining about you, you are doing it wrong" :(

    My only thought on lumberjacking (which I don't have issues with, if you take it for the griefing tool it is) is that it is a one-way, no-risk mechanic - sure magickers can temporarily chase lumberjackers off, but options to "hit back" in some similar fashion, also known as "faux harm", are pretty limited. Maybe the comm (and sect) changes will add additional quasi-revenge conflict mechanisms.
    Can't you ... (sorry Ahkan)... chop down Khandavan trees?

    Oh. :[ Yeah I guess not. Sorry brochacho
    wit beyond measure is a Sidhe's greatest treasure
  • AhkanAhkan Member Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2014
    They tried chopping down Khandavan trees, but it generates pk that is continued outside the actual event itself (aka, not shard protected). People didn't like that so they quit (or they filed like a million issues).  Demonic isn't doing anything that hasn't been done before at this point. It's not really any different than "99 diamonds of pk on the wall." It's no different than the magick anti-demon-forest, their own raids, their own blockades. Cassius is guilty of everything he's complaining about, but the difference is that he was super-hero level cool when he was doing it.

    Yes. Demonic is likely crossing the line of 'good antagonist rp' and 'asshat'. They've done it every time they've played out of this playbook (as has everyone).  That's the problem with player driven rp in Imperian. It has to get to the level of asshat for it to matter to the victim. Otherwise, you can just finger in your ears and Wren/Kira/Ysaviel your way out the interaction. Without a 'victory' condition you enter this retarded stalemate of "I am winning" vs "head in the sand." There's no resolution there so it just drags on and on and on.


    Post edited by Ahkan on
  • IniarIniar Member Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think secretly Eldreth is enjoying it because he gets to harvest scrubs when coordination isn't around. I mean - look at Deathsight! Hahaha
    wit beyond measure is a Sidhe's greatest treasure
  • KhizanKhizan Member Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2014

    The biggest problem with this inter-city conflict is that it basically relies on the aggressors being willing to stop beating on the losing organization when that organization is at the point where all the players are miserable and people are quitting the game.

    This can work out decently(even if it is unsatisfying) if all the aggressors are willing to back off when it's clear that they've won and enjoy simply knowing that they have won.

     However, the reality of it is that you end up with aggressor teams like Ashel/Khizan/Ihsan who are absolutely not willing to do that and who consider "All of Khandava quits playing because their city has become a mid-level bashing area for Stavennites" a valid victory condition because they will be damned if they let Ysaviel turtle her way into a victory. 

    Post edited by Khizan on

    "On the battlefield I am a god. I love war. The steel, the smell, the corpses. I wish there were more. On the first day I drove the Northmen back alone at the ford. Alone! On the second I carried the bridge! Me! Yesterday I climbed the Heroes! I love war! I… I wish it wasn’t over."

  • LartusLartus Member Posts: 487 ✭✭✭

    who is Ysaviel?

  • TeraviTeravi Member Posts: 59 ✭✭✭
    Ysaviel is an ancient player with a fine bardic tradition of declaring wins when clear victors get bored of roosting in their organization of choice and finally go home.  

    Stavenn claiming it can't keep roleplayers because it's not easy to RP there is laughable. Stavenn is possibly one of the most interesting places to RP within all of Imperian. There are a billion story hooks. The problem is that it's such a heavily PK oriented culture that people who don't have an inclination towards PK can end up feeling isolated. Can. Not always. Stavenn goes through cycles of awesome and absence with regards to RP and liveliness generally. 

    If you want to create interesting conflict that doesn't just come across as straight trolling, the other side has to have a legitimate chance to compete. 

    By all means, grind them into the dirt if you don't care, but if you want some enjoyable back and forth, consider what the other team can bring to the playing field. It sure doesn't seem to me that Kinsarmar or Celidon can field the same number and quality of fighters that Stavenn can. So basically all you end up doing is making life miserable for the few who can and feel obligated to try to push back when overwhelming force is applied. 

    Elsewise, once you've sufficiently twisted that boot heel into the soil, what Khizan said. There needs to be a win condition, and the people that failed need to accept it and act like they did, in fact, lose. Everyone can't be a winner all the time. 

    Khizan being the voice of reason is kind of frightening to me. 
  • IniarIniar Member Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've sat out on a lot of Demonic versus Whatever fights... They still don't win.
    wit beyond measure is a Sidhe's greatest treasure
  • TeraviTeravi Member Posts: 59 ✭✭✭
    Kinda the point. :P 

    Fighters all tend to gravitate towards whatever org seems to have the best PK going on. So when Stavenn is kickin' rear, they get most of the fighters. Which is sort of self-defeating, because then who do you fight? 


  • KryssKryss Member Posts: 426 ✭✭✭✭
    The combined forces of Magick and AM of course.
  • CassiusCassius Member, Beta Testers Posts: 607 ✭✭✭
    Ultrix said:


    Kryss said:

    The combined forces of Magick and AM Septus of course.
    AKA the hero of the Aoash.
  • IniarIniar Member Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cassius said:
    Kryss said:
    The combined forces of Magick and AM Septus of course.
    AKA the hero of the Aoash.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8omJvCrwRdY
    wit beyond measure is a Sidhe's greatest treasure
  • IsadarrIsadarr Member Posts: 11 ✭✭
    Stavenn is definitely moving forward, but it's nowhere near the RP haven it could be. 

    Needs a little fine tuning and leading by example (NOT SAYING F YEAH ON MARKET, IMPERATOR)
  • IniarIniar Member Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I was so excited. :( I swung about 15 people. THAT POWER BRO.
    wit beyond measure is a Sidhe's greatest treasure
  • IniarIniar Member Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2014
    I heart how sometimes, all the stars fall into alignment, and we have a spanking good battle:

    2014/10/16 11:07:12 - Iniar has been slain by Siath. <-- yes, this was the same battle

    2014/10/16 11:18:17 - Einheri has been slain by Iniar.
    2014/10/16 11:38:15 - Einheri has been slain by Iniar. <-- Iniar versus Septus, Kliko, Kunew, Einheri

    2014/10/16 12:00:38 - Kunew has been slain by Menoch. <-- Calvary arrives
    2014/10/16 12:00:41 - Kunew has been slain by Iniar.
    2014/10/16 12:02:25 - Kalcer has been slain by Kiley.
    2014/10/16 12:02:30 - Kalcer has been slain by Kryss.

    2014/10/16 12:08:04 - Einheri has been slain by Kryss.
    2014/10/16 12:08:18 - Kiley has been slain by Septus.
    2014/10/16 12:08:25 - Kliko has been slain by Iniar.
    2014/10/16 12:08:30 - Linslet has been slain by Septus.
    2014/10/16 12:08:38 - Siath has been slain by Iniar.
    2014/10/16 12:08:58 - Kalcer has been slain by Kryss.
    2014/10/16 12:09:05 - Kalcer has been slain by Menoch.
    2014/10/16 12:09:33 - Septus has been slain by Theophilus.

    2014/10/16 12:13:06 - Einheri has been slain by Kryss.
    2014/10/16 12:13:16 - Kliko has been slain by Kryss.

    2014/10/16 12:17:49 - Einheri has been slain by Kryss.
    2014/10/16 12:17:53 - Theophilus has been slain by Septus.
    2014/10/16 12:17:57 - Kiley has been slain by Septus.
    2014/10/16 12:18:01 - Kliko has been slain by Iniar.
    2014/10/16 12:18:06 - Kliko has been slain by Menoch.
    2014/10/16 12:18:15 - Kalcer has been slain by Menoch.
    2014/10/16 12:18:18 - Kalcer has been slain by Kalcer.
    2014/10/16 12:18:45 - Siath has been slain by Menoch.

    2014/10/16 12:24:11 - Einheri has been slain by Kryss.
    2014/10/16 12:24:14 - Theophilus has been slain by Septus.
    2014/10/16 12:24:20 - Kalcer has been slain by Kryss.
    2014/10/16 12:24:20 - Kiley has been slain by Septus.
    2014/10/16 12:24:39 - Kryss has been slain by Septus.
    2014/10/16 12:24:41 - Kliko has been slain by Menoch.
    2014/10/16 12:24:59 - Siath has been slain by Kryss.
    2014/10/16 12:25:08 - Septus has been slain by Kryss.
    2014/10/16 12:25:13 - Septus has been slain by Menoch.

    2014/10/16 12:31:24 - Einheri has been slain by Kiley.
    2014/10/16 12:31:25 - Iniar has been slain by Kalcer.
    2014/10/16 12:31:37 - Kalcer has been slain by Iniar.
    2014/10/16 12:31:42 - Kalcer has been slain by Kryss.
    2014/10/16 12:31:51 - Theophilus has been slain by Siath.
    2014/10/16 12:31:59 - Kiley has been slain by Septus.
    2014/10/16 12:32:23 - Ultrix has been slain by Kiley. <-- AM calvary arriving
    2014/10/16 12:32:37 - Siath has been slain by Menoch.
    2014/10/16 12:32:47 - Shou has been slain by Kryss. <-- M1A2 Abrams rolls in
    2014/10/16 12:32:58 - Septus has been slain by Iniar.
    2014/10/16 12:33:05 - Septus has been slain by Kiley.
    2014/10/16 12:33:23 - Kliko has been slain by Kryss.

    2014/10/16 12:37:20 - Iniar has been slain by Shou. <-- fatal error. This is my bad
    2014/10/16 12:38:41 - Kalcer has been slain by Kryss.
    2014/10/16 12:38:45 - Menoch has bled to death.
    2014/10/16 12:38:48 - Kalcer has been slain by Theophilus.
    2014/10/16 12:38:54 - Theophilus has been slain by Septus.
    2014/10/16 12:39:01 - Kiley has been slain by Septus.
    2014/10/16 12:39:15 - Kryss has been slain by Septus.
    2014/10/16 12:39:41 - Onaedan has been slain by Septus. <-- our claymore dude, but he had issues with targeting :(
    2014/10/16 12:39:49 - Linslet has been slain by Septus.

    2014/10/16 12:44:13 - Einheri has been slain by Onaedan.
    2014/10/16 12:44:16 - Menoch has been slain by Shou.
    2014/10/16 12:44:20 - Menoch has been slain by Siath.
    2014/10/16 12:44:29 - Kryss has been slain by Septus.
    2014/10/16 12:44:32 - Theophilus has been slain by Siath.
    2014/10/16 12:44:35 - Kalcer has been slain by Linslet.
    2014/10/16 12:44:38 - Theophilus has been slain by Shou.
    2014/10/16 12:44:41 - Kalcer has been slain by Kiley.
    2014/10/16 12:44:45 - Kiley has been slain by Siath.
    2014/10/16 12:44:50 - Elizabell has been slain by Ultrix.
    2014/10/16 12:45:00 - Onaedan has been slain by Septus.
    2014/10/16 12:45:07 - Linslet has been slain by Siath.
    2014/10/16 12:45:11 - Iniar has been slain by Ultrix.

    2014/10/16 12:49:39 - Einheri has been slain by Menoch.
    2014/10/16 12:49:49 - Menoch has been slain by Shou.
    2014/10/16 12:49:57 - Kiley has been slain by Septus.
    2014/10/16 12:50:02 - Kalcer has been slain by Elizabell.
    2014/10/16 12:50:04 - Menoch has been slain by Septus.
    2014/10/16 12:50:12 - Theophilus has been slain by misadventure.
    2014/10/16 12:50:19 - Siath has been slain by Kryss.
    2014/10/16 12:50:22 - Linslet has been slain by Kliko.
    2014/10/16 12:50:34 - Kalcer has been slain by Iniar.
    2014/10/16 12:51:10 - Kryss has been slain by Septus.
    2014/10/16 12:52:10 - Elizabell has been slain by Ultrix. <-- Tide has turned here

    2014/10/16 12:52:18 - Onaedan has been slain by Septus.
    2014/10/16 12:55:17 - Einheri has been slain by Kryss.
    2014/10/16 12:55:26 - Menoch has been slain by Shou.
    2014/10/16 12:55:31 - Menoch has been slain by Siath.
    2014/10/16 12:55:38 - Kiley has been slain by Shou.
    2014/10/16 12:55:45 - Kryss has been slain by Septus.
    2014/10/16 12:55:50 - Theophilus has been slain by Ultrix.
    2014/10/16 12:55:55 - Kalcer has been slain by Iniar.
    2014/10/16 12:56:02 - Iniar has been slain by Septus.
    2014/10/16 12:56:02 - Onaedan has been slain by Ultrix.
    2014/10/16 12:56:14 - Elizabell has been slain by Shou.
    2014/10/16 12:56:15 - Linslet has been slain by Sarrius. <-- turns up diamonds
    Post edited by Iniar on
    wit beyond measure is a Sidhe's greatest treasure
  • EldrethEldreth Member Posts: 430 ✭✭✭✭
    I would force another round, if for no other reason you can't let Sarrius have the last word.
    “We abjure labels. We fight for money and an indefinable pride. The politics, the ethics, the moralities, are irrelevant."
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  • IniarIniar Member Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Actually, Sarrius was the reason I finally said we should stop. If Sarrius turns up, the whole of Antioch has turned up. :(
    wit beyond measure is a Sidhe's greatest treasure
  • MenochMenoch Member Posts: 594 ✭✭✭
    Not to play the pedant, but it's an M1A2 Abrams, colloquially the M1.

    Also, I took the benefit of counting up our kdr there... the only time they ever passed us was the very last kill. That last word was in fact the kill that made it go 46 (AM kills) to 45 (Demonic kills). About halfway through that deathsight log, we had 35 and they had 13.

    MVP for AM - A quest door.
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