Predator in PvP

Chelicrixkel

Hi folks, I've recently returned to Imperian after about a four year hiatus. I'm currently playing a fast akrabi predator - Chelicrixkel "Kel" - and I have a few questions about the changes to the class over the past four years.

When I left the game, limb damage was "permanent" in a way. If I recall correctly, limb damage stayed on a limb pretty much until it was broken, few tactics to throw off a limb-focused adversary were available beyond good parrying - I used to put some small amount of limb damage on myself before fighting a monk or a predator to stagger his initial breaks. One could also attempt to anticipate when and where a break would land, and apply restoration to that limb hoping the curing tick would occur right after the break, minimising the time the limb was broken - this was a pretty hit or miss tactic as one could just be off salve balance for a while and gain no benefit.

For three of the four years that I was not playing Imperian, I was playing Aetolia. Over there, one could apply restoration to a damaged limb before it broke to cure the "asymptomatic limb damage" based on some proportion of one's current hp. This made setting up multiple breaks quite difficult indeed in Aetolia. During my stay there, I vaguely remember hearing something about a change to the way such "asymptomatic limb damage" was handled over here. However, I do not remember the details and if someone who knows could enlighten me, it'd aid my efforts greatly.

tl;dr:

Is limb damage permanent? Is there any way to cure limb damage before a break occurs?

Khizan

Limb damage resets after the limb has gone one minute without being hit.

This is to prevent easy pre-damage, and to reduce the time bomb nature of limb damage classes by lowering their ability to fight with hit-and-run style tactics.

Ahkan

There is no pre-restore in Imperian. There only way to cure a limb break is once you already have it.

Tracking limb breaks is incredibly easy now. There are messages at each 33%, 66% of limb damage that you can track and extrapolate on which hit you're capable of breaking a limb. 

Chelicrixkel

Khizan said:

Limb damage resets after the limb has gone one minute without being hit.

This is to prevent easy pre-damage, and to reduce the time bomb nature of limb damage classes by lowering their ability to fight with hit-and-run style tactics.

So essentially I can code in a one minute timer for each of the six limbs that resets each time that limb is hit and clears all limb damage if it reaches 0

Ozreas

Ahkan said:

There is no pre-restore in Imperian. There only way to cure a limb break is once you already have it.

Wroooong-o!

Azefel

The only thing you have to count is the number of hits between the limb trembling (33%) and bruises (66%), because from bruises onwards, that number of hits (±1 depending on the target's health) will be how many hits it takes to break the limb.

Kalon

Ozreas said:

Ahkan said:

There is no pre-restore in Imperian. There only way to cure a limb break is once you already have it.

Wroooong-o!

You two are using pre-restore in two different ways. Ahkan seems to be using it to refer to the ability to 'heal' limb damage before it causes a full break, as that is what the question his post was in response to wanted to know. You, on the other hand, use the term the way people in Imperian use it, to refer to the ability to apply restoration seconds before a lvl2 break so that the restoration ticks very quickly after the break occurs.

Chelicrixkel

Thanks for the responses folks. 

I've recently "finished" the coding I want for knifeplay, and I thought I'd post it here in the hopes someone conversant in Lua and/or Mudlet has any insightful comments.

Stance tracking script:

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Neurotoxin.knifeplay.stances = Neurotoxin.knifeplay.stances or {}

Neurotoxin.knifeplay.myStance = Neurotoxin.knifeplay.myStance or "None"

Neurotoxin.knifeplay.newStance = Neurotoxin.knifeplay.newStance or "None"

Neurotoxin.knifeplay.comboHits = 3

Neurotoxin.knifeplay.comboList = {}

function checkStance(atk)

if (Neurotoxin.knifeplay.comboHits >= 3) then

if (Neurotoxin.knifeplay.stances[Neurotoxin.knifeplay.myStance][atk] ~= "impossible") then

Neurotoxin.knifeplay.newStance = Neurotoxin.knifeplay.stances[Neurotoxin.knifeplay.myStance][atk]

echo("\nStance tracking: "..atk.." will take us from " ..Neurotoxin.knifeplay.myStance.. " to " ..Neurotoxin.knifeplay.newStance)

return true

end

return false

else

if (Neurotoxin.knifeplay.stances[Neurotoxin.knifeplay.newStance][atk] ~= "impossible") then

echo("\nStance tracking: "..atk.." will take us from " ..Neurotoxin.knifeplay.newStance.. " to " ..Neurotoxin.knifeplay.stances[Neurotoxin.knifeplay.newStance][atk])

Neurotoxin.knifeplay.newStance = Neurotoxin.knifeplay.stances[Neurotoxin.knifeplay.newStance][atk]

return true

end

return false

end

end

Neurotoxin.knifeplay.stances.None = {

["lateral"] = "Gyanis",

["vertical"] = "Laesan",

["swiftkick"] = "Gyanis",

["gouge"] = "Laesan",

["jab"] = "Vae-Sant",

["feint"] = "Ein-Fasit",

["pinprick"] = "Gyanis",

["raze"] = "Laesan",

["bleed"] = "impossible",

["flashkick"] = "Rizet",

["crescentcut"] = "Vae-Sant",

["lowhook"] = "Vae-Sant",

["slit"] = "impossible",

["trip"] = "Ein-Fasit",

["spinslash"] = "Vae-Sant",

["butterfly"] = "Rizet",

}

Neurotoxin.knifeplay.stances.Gyanis = {

["lateral"] = "Vae-Sant",

["vertical"] = "Laesan",

["swiftkick"] = "Laesan",

["gouge"] = "Ein-Fasit",

["jab"] = "Vae-Sant",

["feint"] = "Ein-Fasit",

["pinprick"] = "Rizet",

["raze"] = "Laesan",

["bleed"] = "Laesan",

["flashkick"] = "Rizet",

["crescentcut"] = "Ein-Fasit",

["lowhook"] = "Vae-Sant",

["slit"] = "Ein-Fasit",

["trip"] = "Vae-Sant",

["spinslash"] = "Vae-Sant",

["butterfly"] = "impossible",

}

Neurotoxin.knifeplay.stances["Vae-Sant"] = {

["lateral"] = "Ein-Fasit",

["vertical"] = "Laesan",

["swiftkick"] = "Ein-Fasit",

["gouge"] = "Gyanis",

["jab"] = "Gyanis",

["feint"] = "Laesan",

["pinprick"] = "Rizet",

["raze"] = "impossible",

["bleed"] = "Rizet",

["flashkick"] = "Laesan",

["crescentcut"] = "impossible",

["lowhook"] = "Gyanis",

["slit"] = "Ein-Fasit",

["trip"] = "impossible",

["spinslash"] = "Ein-Fasit",

["butterfly"] = "Gyanis",

}

Neurotoxin.knifeplay.stances.Rizet = {

["lateral"] = "Ein-Fasit",

["vertical"] = "Ein-Fasit",

["swiftkick"] = "impossible",

["gouge"] = "Vae-Sant",

["jab"] = "impossible",

["feint"] = "impossible",

["pinprick"] = "Vae-Sant",

["raze"] = "Vae-Sant",

["bleed"] = "Ein-Fasit",

["flashkick"] = "impossible",

["crescentcut"] = "Laesan",

["lowhook"] = "impossible",

["slit"] = "Gyanis",

["trip"] = "Gyanis",

["spinslash"] = "Laesan",

["butterfly"] = "Gyanis",

}

Neurotoxin.knifeplay.stances["Ein-Fasit"] = {

["lateral"] = "Laesan",

["vertical"] = "Vae-Sant",

["swiftkick"] = "Vae-Sant",

["gouge"] = "Rizet",

["jab"] = "Gyanis",

["feint"] = "Gyanis",

["pinprick"] = "impossible",

["raze"] = "Rizet",

["bleed"] = "impossible",

["flashkick"] = "Laesan",

["crescentcut"] = "Gyanis",

["lowhook"] = "Gyanis",

["slit"] = "Laesan",

["trip"] = "Gyanis",

["spinslash"] = "impossible",

["butterfly"] = "Laesan",

}

Neurotoxin.knifeplay.stances.Laesan = {

["lateral"] = "impossible",

["vertical"] = "impossible",

["swiftkick"] = "Rizet",

["gouge"] = "impossible",

["jab"] = "Gyanis",

["feint"] = "Ein-Fasit",

["pinprick"] = "Rizet",

["raze"] = "Ein-Fasit",

["bleed"] = "Vae-Sant",

["flashkick"] = "Vae-Sant",

["crescentcut"] = "Vae-Sant",

["lowhook"] = "Gyanis",

["slit"] = "Vae-Sant",

["trip"] = "Rizet",

["spinslash"] = "Ein-Fasit",

["butterfly"] = "Rizet",

}

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Combo selector:

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Neurotoxin.knifeplay.surged = false

Neurotoxin.knifeplay.comboHits = 3

Neurotoxin.knifeplay.comboList = {}

Neurotoxin.knifeplay.sitaraToxin = "ciguatoxin"

fighting = false

function attackRaze()

local needRaze = 0

if (Neurotoxin.knifeplay.enemyRebounding == true and Neurotoxin.knifeplay.enemyShield == true) then

needRaze = 2

elseif (Neurotoxin.knifeplay.enemyRebounding or Neurotoxin.knifeplay.enemyShield == true) then

needRaze = 1

end

for i=1, Neurotoxin.knifeplay.comboHits do

if (needRaze > 0) then

if (checkStance("raze") == true) then

addToCombo("raze")

needRaze = needRaze - 1

elseif (needRaze == 1 and Neurotoxin.knifeplay.enemyShield == false) then

if (checkStance("swiftkick") == true) then

addToCombo("swiftkick")

end

else

addToCombo("ein-fasit")

Neurotoxin.knifeplay.newStance = "Ein-Fasit"

end

elseif (needRaze == 0) then

if (checkStance("vertical") == true) then

addToCombo("vertical")

elseif (checkStance("swiftkick") == true) then

addToCombo("swiftkick")

end

end

end

end

function attackArm(side)

for i=1, Neurotoxin.knifeplay.comboHits do

if (checkStance("jab") == true) then

addToCombo("jab " ..side)

elseif (checkStance("vertical") == true) then

addToCombo("vertical")

elseif (checkStance("swiftkick") == true) then

addToCombo("swiftkick")

end

end

end

function attackBothArms()

local hitRight = false

local hitLeft = false

for i=1, Neurotoxin.knifeplay.comboHits do

if (checkStance("jab") == true and hitRight == false) then

addToCombo("jab right")

hitRight = true

elseif (checkStance("jab") == true and hitLeft == false) then

addToCombo("jab right")

hitLeft = true

elseif (checkStance("vertical") == true) then

addToCombo("vertical")

elseif (checkStance("swiftkick") == true) then

addToCombo("swiftkick")

end

end

end

function attackLeg(side)

for i=1, Neurotoxin.knifeplay.comboHits do

if (checkStance("lowhook") == true) then

addToCombo("lowhook " ..side)

elseif (checkStance("vertical") == true) then

addToCombo("vertical")

elseif (checkStance("swiftkick") == true) then

addToCombo("swiftkick")

end

end

end

function attackBothLegs()

local tripped = false

local hitRight = false

local hitLeft = false

for i=1, Neurotoxin.knifeplay.comboHits do

if (hitLeft == false and checkStance("lowhook") == true ) then

addToCombo("lowhook left")

hitLeft = true

elseif (tripped == false and checkStance("trip") == true ) then

addToCombo("trip")

tripped = true

elseif (hitRight == false and checkStance("lowhook") == true) then

addToCombo("lowhook right")

hitRight = true

elseif (checkStance("vertical") == true) then

addToCombo("vertical")

elseif (checkStance("swiftkick") == true) then

addToCombo("swiftkick")

end

end

end

function attackCrescentCut()

for i=1, Neurotoxin.knifeplay.comboHits do

if (checkStance("crescentcut") == true) then

addToCombo("crescentcut")

else

addToCombo("gyanis")

Neurotoxin.knifeplay.newStance = "Gyanis"

end

end

end

function attackTorso()

for i=1, Neurotoxin.knifeplay.comboHits do

if (checkStance("lateral") == true) then

addToCombo("lateral")

elseif (checkStance("vertical") == true) then

addToCombo("vertical")

elseif (checkStance("swiftkick") == true) then

addToCombo("swiftkick")

end

end

end

function attackHead()

for i=1, Neurotoxin.knifeplay.comboHits do

if (checkStance("flashkick") == true) then

addToCombo("flashkick")

elseif (checkStance("vertical") == true) then

addToCombo("vertical")

elseif (checkStance("swiftkick") == true) then

addToCombo("swiftkick")

end

end

end

function executeCombo()

if (fighting == true and Neurotoxin.knifeplay.comboHits == 0 and  canAttack() == true) then

if (checkRaze() == true) then

if (Neurotoxin.knifeplay.surged == false) then

Neurotoxin.knifeplay.comboHits = 3

else

Neurotoxin.knifeplay.comboHits = 4

end

Neurotoxin.knifeplay.comboList = {}

attackRaze()

end

send("combo " ..table.concat(Neurotoxin.knifeplay.comboList, " ").. " "..target.. " " ..Neurotoxin.knifeplay.sitaraToxin)

Neurotoxin.knifeplay.comboList = {}

if (Neurotoxin.knifeplay.surged == false) then

Neurotoxin.knifeplay.comboHits = 3

else

Neurotoxin.knifeplay.comboHits = 4

end

end

end

function addToCombo(command)

if (Neurotoxin.knifeplay.comboHits > 0) then

table.insert(Neurotoxin.knifeplay.comboList, command)

Neurotoxin.knifeplay.comboHits = Neurotoxin.knifeplay.comboHits - 1

echo("\n"..command.." added to combo, " ..Neurotoxin.knifeplay.comboHits.. " hits remainig in combo.")

end

end

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Chelicrixkel

Apparently I fail at using spoiler tags, if anyone feels like explaining what I did wrong in that post that'd be great.

Juran

Neurotoxin is a great name for a system

Ele

This has given me some ideas for my system. I use a bit of a different approach for the decision of what moves can be used in what stance though, with a table for each move with flows, blocking stance as well as commands (both for the COMBO command and normal SITARA <skill> <target> style.

Dynamically building the attacks from what stance you are currently in totally escaped me though. I'll have to give that a try for sure

Fazlee

This is how I have mine set up in CMUD.

· Functions for each type of attack which check what stance you're in, perform the appropriate action, store a 'predicted' stance.

· Aliases/macros chain together functions to perform a combo, e.g. my 'la' alias which hits the left arm as much as it can, does :

#local $c $s $t

#if @tarshield {$s=1}

#if @tarrebound {$s=$s+1}

#if (@rebound_timer && @rebound_timer&lt;2) {$s=$s+1}

#switch $s

  (2) {$c={@raze() @raze() @jab(left)@surge(jab,left)}}

  (1) {$c={@raze() @jab(left) @jab(left)@surge(jab,left)}}

  (0) {$c={@jab(left) @jab(left) @jab(left)@surge(jab,left)}}

@wield(sitara)@dism()@shrug()@env()queue eqbal combo $c @tar @pick_toxin(comboQ)

Where raze, jab, and surge are functions for the respective attack types.
Just my Knifeplay folder for reference: http://pastebin.com/B6P8zyuM

Robb

Just curious, in your stance tracker.  Why are Ein-Fasit and Vae-Sant in brackets, but the other stances aren't?

Iniar

Anything that isn't a single word isn't interpreted as a single variable

So doing 

apple = "Sweet"

is ok

applepie = "Sweet"

is ok, but

apple pie = "Sweet"

won't work. So,

["apple pie"] = "Sweet"

Likewise, ["Ein-Fasit"] works, whereas Ein-Fasit doesn't