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  • AhkanAhkan Member Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Rinrr is one of the easier ones. I felt bad when I forgot his mechanics.

    His primary mechanic is that he has a 'charge attack' that is instakill. You avoid this by sit/rolling in the goop. If you're gooed when he tries to insta you, he misses.

    Problems:
    1) The goop wears off. You must re-goop.
    2) You can only goop once. The second time kills you.

    Grab the message for gooping and the goop wearing off and you're set.
  • CassiusCassius Member, Beta Testers Posts: 607 ✭✭✭
    Do a certain percentage of them go through regardless? I went back through the log and was getting insta'd before I got the goop wore off message. Only time I was killed after seeing it was because I tried to sit/roll while impaled.
  • AhkanAhkan Member Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So, the way you probably died.

    Cassius rolls. (immune to death)
    Rinrr hits you. Insta-fails
    Rinrr channels insta kill
    You hit Rinrr (have aggro when his insta finishes channeling)
    Rinrr's insta hits you again (this killed you)
  • CassiusCassius Member, Beta Testers Posts: 607 ✭✭✭
    Well why didn't you hit him after I did :(
  • IniarIniar Member Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Kittaa tells you, "Master I am endeavouring to become more powerful."

    You tell Kittaa, "Endeavour harder."
    wit beyond measure is a Sidhe's greatest treasure
  • IniarIniar Member Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The peaceful form of Caelya, riding a strapping buckskin mare, Aspect of Aryana enters from the west.
    She is followed by a decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a 
    decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a 
    decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a 
    decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a 
    decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a 
    decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, and a watchful hound.

    606[128] 426[126] eb db 0 100 6.89 0 [IDLE] [0] T: Ressnik [+:0] ciguatoxin hemotoxin

    Caelya, riding a strapping buckskin mare, Aspect of Aryana leaves to the east, a feeling of peace leaving with her.
    She is followed by a decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a 
    decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a 
    decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a 
    decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a 
    decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, a 
    decrepit Sidhe slave, a decrepit Sidhe slave, and a watchful hound.

    What.
    wit beyond measure is a Sidhe's greatest treasure
  • IniarIniar Member Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ander has been slain by the mental might of Barsul, the Wraith Lord.
    Mallia has been frozen solid, slain by Barsul, the Wraith Lord.

    Mercer has been killed by Barsul, the Wraith Lord.

    Zachariah has been slain by Barsul, the Wraith Lord.

    Ander has been slain by the mental might of Barsul, the Wraith Lord.

    Shaylei has been slain by Barsul, the Wraith Lord.

    Zachariah has been slain by Barsul, the Wraith Lord.

    Ressnik has been shattered into icy shards by Barsul, the Wraith Lord.

    Mercer has been slain by the mental might of Barsul, the Wraith Lord.

    You tell General Ressnik Mjollnir, Spectral Assassin, "Shouldn't really die to Barsul."

    You see Sai Ahkan Dios, Ultimatum of Sukhder shout, "Current plan: Let us all die and maybe he'll trip over one of our corpses and tumble down some stairs."

    Ressnik tells you, "That bastard hurts :/."

    You tell General Ressnik Mjollnir, Spectral Assassin, "Shouldn't tank his hits."

    You tell General Ressnik Mjollnir, Spectral Assassin, "What're you guys doing... People solo him =(."

    Ressnik tells you, "Lol I dunno..he its hittin crazy hard though."

    Zachariah has been slain by the mental might of Barsul, the Wraith Lord.

    Ressnik has been slain by the mental might of Barsul, the Wraith Lord.

    Ressnik tells you, "I think its the aeon :/."

    Mallia has been shattered into icy shards by Barsul, the Wraith Lord.

    Ladies and gentlemen, this is what happens when you remove a funny mechanic and leave it in the hands of NPCs (hilarity ensues) and also what happens when Death is irreverent. I'm sorry, I mean irrelevant. :D
    wit beyond measure is a Sidhe's greatest treasure
  • IniarIniar Member Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭✭✭

     
    (Market): Shaylei says, "Shop The Dwarf's Beard, Now located in Caanae! Herbs at 4 gp including Toadstool!! Elixirs 
    starting at 12 gp! Offering select toxins at 3 gp!! Stocked with a selection of quality armour, shields and weapons! Lots 
    of brand new clothing and crafted items! Soap, and assorted perfumes for sale as well! Assorted bulk herbs!! Newly stocked 
    with a small selection of beautiful flowers at an affordable price of 10 gp!! We have firecrackers!! Offering Ratting 
    pets!(Path Find 29104!)"

    (Ring): Mereis says, "What the hell."

    (Ring): Mereis says, "Does Imperian MARKET not have a character limit."

    (Ring): Aleutia says, "It does, but you'd be hard pressed to actually hit it."

    (Ring): Mereis says, "Long market ad is long."
    Amused. So amused. :D
    wit beyond measure is a Sidhe's greatest treasure
  • IniarIniar Member Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭✭✭
    (Ring): Maglust says, "Because into battle I was leaping, my allies safe I was keeping."

    wit beyond measure is a Sidhe's greatest treasure
  • IluvIluv Member Posts: 703 ✭✭✭✭
    I like my new market ad format and I see that you've stolen it Iniar and decided to set your market timer at half the length of mine!
  • AzefelAzefel Member Posts: 730 ✭✭✭✭
    Iniar has been known to steal formats!
  • IniarIniar Member Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just not guild advancement systems. Yet.

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    wit beyond measure is a Sidhe's greatest treasure
  • CelestineCelestine Member Posts: 244 ✭✭✭
    edited March 2014
    10:41:43.288 | From Raykel: I'd like to have another go at attempting to disfigure you. Your recently discovered self-entitled personality has lead to me think that you deserve to have your pride taken down two steps.
    10:41:43.325 | H:558/583 M:363/420 <e- db> B:4 T:15:42 X:34.15  
    10:44:42.103 | To Raykel: You have an interesting perspective, Harbinger. We can spar again. I'll meet you at the Coliseum in a few moments.
    10:44:42.121 | H:581/583 M:400/420 <e- db> B:2 T:15:45 X:34.49 
     
    10:48:14.142 | You curtsey respectfully before Raykel.
    10:48:25.259 | Raykel nods his head politely.

    -fast forward-

    10:53:28.106 | You razed Raykel's rebounding.
    10:53:28.111 | You rub some ciguatoxin on a curved sabre.
    10:53:28.120 | You slashed Raykel with a sabre.
    10:53:28.125 | Raykel backs away and eases off.
    10:53:28.130 | The final blow proves too much for Raykel, who falls to the floor a broken, bloody mess.
    10:53:28.135 | You have slain Raykel.
    10:53:28.138 | RAYKEL died!!!
    10:53:28.142 | RAYKEL died!!!
    10:53:28.145 | RAYKEL died!!!
    10:53:28.152 | 
    10:53:28.156 | 
    10:53:28.162 | + + + TARGET IS DEAD + + +
    10:53:28.169 | The soft glow suffusing Raykel dims as he leaves to the ether.
    10:53:28.174 | **********************************************************
    10:53:28.188 | You have been victorious and leave the Arena in triumph!
    10:53:28.193 | **********************************************************

    11:01:24.561 | Your aura of weapons rebounding disappears.
    11:01:24.566 | def- anti-weapon field
    11:01:24.576 | You rub some ciguatoxin on a curved sabre.
    11:01:24.581 | You slashed Raykel with a sabre.
    11:01:24.587 | Raykel backs away and eases off.
    11:01:24.591 | The final blow proves too much for Raykel, who falls to the floor a broken, bloody mess.
    11:01:24.596 | You have slain Raykel.
    11:01:24.597 | RAYKEL died!!!
    11:01:24.601 | RAYKEL died!!!
    11:01:24.605 | RAYKEL died!!!
    11:01:24.611 | 
    11:01:24.615 | 
    11:01:24.630 | + + + TARGET IS DEAD + + +
    11:01:24.654 | The soft glow suffusing Raykel dims as he leaves to the ether.
    11:01:24.660 | **********************************************************
    11:01:24.663 | You have been victorious and leave the Arena in triumph!
    11:01:24.668 | **********************************************************

    11:06:13.299 | eqbal+ stand<<touch amnesia<<dsl raykel hemotoxin mercury
    11:06:13.306 | H:336/472 M:195/336 <e- db> B:2 T:16:06 X:34.77  
    11:06:13.435 | Raykel backs away and eases off.
    11:06:13.440 | The decaying hands retreat back into the comfort of the earth.
    11:06:13.450 | You have slain Raykel.
    11:06:13.451 | RAYKEL died!!!
    11:06:13.455 | RAYKEL died!!!
    11:06:13.459 | RAYKEL died!!!
    11:06:13.464 | 
    11:06:13.468 | 
    11:06:13.481 | + + + TARGET IS DEAD + + +
    11:06:13.488 | The soft glow suffusing Raykel dims as he leaves to the ether.
    11:06:13.493 | **********************************************************
    11:06:13.496 | You have been victorious and leave the Arena in triumph!
    11:06:13.500 | **********************************************************

    11:07:14.500 | You have emoted: Celestine stands before you in an awkward silence.
    11:07:28.967 | From Kliko: Tell him you're done testing and you want to spar for real now.
    11:08:31.316 | Lord Raykel Aertsen, Harbinger of the Damned asks, "Once more?"
    11:08:31.323 | H:406/472 M:308/336 <eb db> B:0 T:16:09 X:34.77  
    11:08:31.581 | Lord Raykel Aertsen, Harbinger of the Damned says, "This is proving to be very educational."

    11:10:59.892 | You rub some hemotoxin on a curved sabre.
    11:10:59.897 | You slashed Raykel with a sabre.
    11:10:59.903 | Raykel pales suddenly and slumps perceptibly.
    11:10:59.911 | You rub some butisol on a curved sabre.
    11:10:59.915 | You slashed Raykel with a sabre.
    11:10:59.921 | Raykel backs away and eases off.
    11:10:59.930 | The decaying hands retreat back into the comfort of the earth.
    11:10:59.935 | The final blow proves too much for Raykel, who falls to the floor a broken, bloody mess.
    11:10:59.940 | You have slain Raykel.
    11:10:59.941 | RAYKEL died!!!
    11:10:59.945 | RAYKEL died!!!
    11:10:59.950 | RAYKEL died!!!
    11:10:59.956 | 
    11:10:59.961 | 
    11:10:59.966 | + + + TARGET IS DEAD + + +
    11:10:59.974 | The soft glow suffusing Raykel dims as he leaves to the ether.
    11:10:59.979 | **********************************************************
    11:10:59.982 | You have been victorious and leave the Arena in triumph!
    11:10:59.995 | **********************************************************

    11:13:54.781 | You say to Raykel, "I'm curious...is this your plan of 'taking my pride down a few steps'? Because to me, this looks really bad...being Harbinger and all."
    11:15:04.333 | Raykel grumbles angrily.
    11:15:09.207 | Raykel throws down the gauntlet and issues a formal challenge to face him in single combat. ACCEPT RAYKEL in order to do so.

    11:17:45.608 | H:383/472 M:270/336 <e- db> B:3 T:16:18 X:34.77  queue eqbal stand<<touch amnesia<<dsl Raykel iodine bromine
    11:17:45.888 | Sun allergy ticked on Raykel. [ Xeroderma - 1/11 ]
    11:17:45.899 | Raykel backs away and eases off.
    11:17:45.904 | The decaying hands retreat back into the comfort of the earth.
    11:17:45.908 | You have slain Raykel.
    11:17:45.909 | RAYKEL died!!!
    11:17:45.912 | RAYKEL died!!!
    11:17:45.916 | RAYKEL died!!!
    11:17:45.921 | 
    11:17:45.924 | 
    11:17:45.931 | + + + TARGET IS DEAD + + +
    11:17:45.937 | The soft glow suffusing Raykel dims as he leaves to the ether.
    11:17:45.950 | **********************************************************
    11:17:45.955 | You have been victorious and leave the Arena in triumph!
    11:17:45.959 | **********************************************************

    11:18:02.712 | Lord Raykel Aertsen, Harbinger of the Damned says, "We will settle this another time."
    11:18:12.739 | Lord Raykel Aertsen, Harbinger of the Damned says, "Until then."
    11:18:12.748 | H:383/472 M:299/336 <eb db> B:0 T:16:18 X:34.77  
    11:18:16.339 | Raykel nods his head politely.
    11:18:16.346 | H:383/472 M:289/336 <eb db> B:0 T:16:19 X:34.77
    11:18:17.302 | Your eyes sparkle with amusement at Raykel.
    11:18:30.165 | You curtsey respectfully before Raykel.

    Poor Raykel....I'm not even that good. :(

    (put under quotes due to Raykel's quote - in case I need to clarify.)
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  • IniarIniar Member Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2014
    This is what I mean about +1 vs +2 balance being a massive hurdle for 'accessibility'. Raykel (as only Raykel can) is presumably trying to out-dsl you with a 2.40 dsl. He's in Athletic with a 231 sabre but there's absolutely -no- way he can beat your affliction cure rate :unless: he uses vivisect. This is not my idea of accessible. 

    (Before anyone goes jabbing fingers, throwing mocking laughter and pulling up pictures of a certain wolf, let me clarify. Raykel is using my system, which while isn't perfect, can beat normal cures with a 2.35 dsl. Yes vivisect is an whoa-unstoppable mechanic. Ok.)

    It is still my opinion that a +1 bal should have a marginal chance at beating a passive cure affliction, and while slowing down the passive cure tick is one way to do it, I believe that making the bonus bands tighter, I.e. 0.93 for +1 and 0.865 for +2 would mean better predictability and less silly affliction builds (like what-up 1.60 twinshot)
    Post edited by Iniar on
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  • AzefelAzefel Member Posts: 730 ✭✭✭✭
    You can vivisect with like a 2.75 dsl
  • AhkanAhkan Member Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Deathknight is in a weird spot. I would almost call DK balanced. I'd also say that Templar and Runeguard are broken. Templar and Runeguard are mechanically better classes and definitely more up to date. Vivisect is and always will hold the class back from any sort of upgrade because it's such an effective instakill. You could probably vivisect with an 8s dsl.. With feint-slash and terrible limb damage, it's not a matter of if but when.  Raykel didn't stand a chance even if they had the same balance time if he wasn't going to vivisect. Enter mirroring (dumbest) and emblazon (dumb). Anything that 'boosts' deathknight's affliction ability for any type of cure is going to make vivisect easier and the admin and the classlead zerg are going to piss and moan about it.

    I'm not a huge fan of the DK affliction build, tbh. It's a snore fest of spamming the same afflictions until things stick. You're sacrificing being good at a lot of other things to be the speediest paralysis knight in the land. Spam maidenhair into spam kelp. Profit. If you want to 1v1, there are stronger 1v1 affliction classes. If you want to solo in DK and not be fast, you're going to need to figure out how to vivisect or learn to afflict incredibly well. Going fast-aff in DK is really denying yourself a lot of versatility and team support that DK brings to the table.

  • IniarIniar Member Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ahkan said:
    Going fast-aff in DK is really denying yourself a lot of versatility and team support that DK brings to the table.

    Let's be honest, I know almost next to nothing about game balance and game design.

    What I am saying though is this:

    Neutral:
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    Athletic:
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    Fast:
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    =======

    I'd prefer it to be more like this:

    Neutral:
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    Athletic:
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    Fast:
    image
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  • AzefelAzefel Member Posts: 730 ✭✭✭✭
    fastest:

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  • MereisMereis Member Posts: 229 ✭✭✭
    Azefel brandishes a group of 2832 glowing blue shards menacingly.

    Want.
    currently tentatively active
    (may vanish for periods of time)
  • IluvIluv Member Posts: 703 ✭✭✭✭
    Ahkan said:
    Spam maidenhair into spam kelp. Profit. 
    Actually, with DK's affliction rate, you can't just spam maidenhair and spam kelp to get ahead in afflictions. And against professions with passive curing, it's just not possible.
  • IniarIniar Member Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As Fast I can spam. As Athletic I have to be quite selective. Boohoo for people who can't afford a Gem of Transmutation. :(
    wit beyond measure is a Sidhe's greatest treasure
  • IluvIluv Member Posts: 703 ✭✭✭✭
    Also, it's not possible to keep your affliction rate up if you want to keep soulquench up during the entire fight. It's that close.
  • IniarIniar Member Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yeah I can literally skip 2 dsls as Fast as long as I have hemotoxin + (metrazol/asthma) + any other 2 toxins and go right back into it. Definitely can't do that as Athletic. Doesn't hurt me, just game accessibility.
    wit beyond measure is a Sidhe's greatest treasure
  • IluvIluv Member Posts: 703 ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2014
    Also, the notion that speeding up Deathknights affliction rate will make affliction vivisects or limb vivisects more powerful is just false. In order to get an affliction vivisect, you'd have to achieve a softlock first and at the point of attaining a softlock you can either go for an affliction vivisect (2 dsls then vivi), damage with a claymore (most likely just 2 dsls), or an disembowel (assuming deaf, double opium for prone then impale/battlecry into dsb). Vivisect doesn't really become any more powerful than any other option available and it's more about flavor at that point. If we're talking about limb damage vivisects, the afflictions you use on the way to breaking limbs matters very little as you won't be achieving any affliction headway at all dealing with parrying and feinting. The only thing that matters is the toxins you use on the break, which affliction rates do not affect.

    For fun, here is a video of me attempting Vivisect against Raykel, someone who is parrying occasionally. Now this is not the best vivisect set up, as at one point I made a miscount and had to restart and on one of the other attempts, rebounding slowed me down enough for Raykel to heal (Raykel is using the autocuring priority that best handles Vivisect).


    And another video for fun, here's me smashing Raykel in Summoner because he has no tank artifacts or resists and I have damage artifacts.

    Post edited by Iluv on
  • JuranJuran Member Posts: 909 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You don't need a soft lock to achieve a toxin-based vivisect. You need butisol and an attack rate under 3.0 seconds.
  • IniarIniar Member Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ahkan snaps his fingers in front of you.

    (Ring): You say, "You will not buy credits, that choker is stupid. I miss Kittae."

    <3 Ahkan and his abuse of my AFK body.
    wit beyond measure is a Sidhe's greatest treasure
  • IluvIluv Member Posts: 703 ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2014
    You two missed the point but I probably didn't clarify it well enough. Giving Deathknights either an affliction or damage upgrade would not increase the viability of vivisect over disembowel or damage as a kill method, the latter two being available to Runeguard and Templar both of which have gained upgrades to afflictions and damage.
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