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  • IniarIniar Member Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2014
    To be honest, the best solution for IRE would be for someone to release a system with a reasonably good tracker and an intuitive structure for building an offense with a good API. Have everything structured so that it's easy for people to say 

     if butisol then maidenhair
    elseif weariness then asthma 
    else just read off this list end. 

    My system kind of does this but it's hard (and I'm lazy) to explain it to people when they have the attention span of a chimpanzee :(
    wit beyond measure is a Sidhe's greatest treasure
  • MenochMenoch Member Posts: 594 ✭✭✭
    edited April 2014
    How many people do you meet on a regular basis that just don't give a damn though? The great thing about Imperian combat now is that it is FAR more accessible than it has ever been. There's a really huge giant strong argument here for how dumbed down it's already gotten. The vast majority of people that teamfight only don't care about 1v1. Additionally, what profession doesn't have spammable damage to succeed in that environment? Are there really that many people out there saying "Man I know I stomp in teams with all my buddies, but 1v1 would be -really- sick."? Most of those people learn how to code and start asking the right questions. No, most of those people ask for free systems from 'good' combatants, then ask the wrong questions. Then, some few open a lua or zscript tutorial in their browser of choice and start asking the right questions. I guess my only point of interest and or question here is, how many people stop after realizing there is a bar to entry.

    tl dr - There is a bar to entry to become a top level competitor in regards to clientside offensive coding and minor clientside defensive coding to manipulate autocuring. In what competitive environment is this not the case? Practice, practice, practice. Ask questions. If you are always losing fights but still fighting, you're on the right track. Take something away from every fight, win or lose. It really is that simple.
  • WysriasWysrias Member Posts: 410 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2014
    "Additionally, what profession doesn't have spammable damage to succeed in that environment?"

    Diabolists.

    #atleastfornow #loldecay #fixmysoulstorm #damagediabolists2014


  • LalitanaLalitana Member Posts: 208 ✭✭✭
    A cute little armadillo waddles in from the east.
    An armadillo bends over and picks up a wooden torch.
  • IniarIniar Member Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Funny thing Wys is that iirc Decay is exactly like old Summoner's warp. :D
    wit beyond measure is a Sidhe's greatest treasure
  • MenochMenoch Member Posts: 594 ✭✭✭
    edited April 2014
    It is, and I'm having flashbacks to Zenigra going malig.

    ETA: If you think the bar for entry to competing in this game is difficult, try a sport. Picking up zscript is laughably easy, even I could do it, and I am admittedly a horribad code monkey. I can't really see that I would enjoy any sort of competitive environment where the expenditure of effort required to increase your ability is not directly proportional to your success. Maybe I'm just being an overly vocal minority, which is most assuredly my go to thing on Impy.

    ETA: Also I'm remembering being intelligent and not having change race change or gem, and bashing in dk with decay because holy **** I was unkillably tanky and holy **** the deeps.
  • WysriasWysrias Member Posts: 410 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2014
    Well, as intelligent with 19 int and level 2 collar and diadem,

    <610/610h 640/640m 0B 0> <eb db> decay me
    You reach out with your withered finger and stroke yourself, who screams in agony as your flesh withers.
    H -113 [18.5%] [94]
    eq:3.60
    <496/610h 632/640m 0B 0> <-b db>

    That's less damage than anything noctu and nearly 50% slower; I wouldn't really present it as an actual alternative for diabolists.

    I threw in a change for animation via classlead 72 to add a 'newbie/teamfight/intelligent' route that exchanges mana drain on deadeyes for health drain. It would go quite a ways in making the class more forgiving for people without affliction tracking, since doubling up on an affliction won't result in a complete loss for the round (just a significant loss).

    EDIT: I know everyone is talking about old noctu; just pointing out that based on current numbers, I wouldn't recommend a newbie to spam decay in a teamfight
    Post edited by Wysrias on


  • MenochMenoch Member Posts: 594 ✭✭✭
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7gMkiOPSeA&amp;feature=kp

    @Wysrias - He said old summoner, because old noctu was carbon copy from necro which we all know was essentially carbon copied from achaea
  • IluvIluv Member Posts: 703 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2014
    Daegger hunt damage scales with Int but not enough to actually matter. Might be worth looking into. Also, daemonite is currently useless, there is opportunity there to work in some damage.
  • AhkanAhkan Member Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Man, defiler has been a destructo-bot ever since the classlead beta. Azefel and I destroyed everyone complaining about it now with that whack crap. You kids are just really, really, really, really slow on the uptake. I figured dying being spam shield was an indicator.

    @Garryn
    You can't make affliction classes more accessible without making them ridiculously powerful. If you work the other end and make it easier to track, you're flirting with super powering the affliction classes, because tracking is that much easier. I'm torn about providing a basic system. I think that's biased and the next thing that's going to happen is you're going to be coding the damage button for Khizan to mash in combat. 

    I'm serious, your better option is to suggest not affliction classes to newbies and let them ease their way into it. Affliction classes aren't for everyone, but they're definitely not for newbies.

    Impatience spam only worked with noctu because it did 20%. By itself it's a lackluster affliction.
  • WysriasWysrias Member Posts: 410 ✭✭✭✭
    Iluv said:
    Daegger hunt damage scales with Int but not enough to actually matter. Might be worth looking into. Also, daemonite is currently useless, there is opportunity there to work in some damage.

    <640/610h 632/610m 0B 0> <eb db>
    The whirling daegger plunges into your flesh.
    H -20c [3.3%] [60]

    The daemonite flies at you, poking and jabbing at you with its stubby fingers.
    H -43c [7.0%] [83]

    :(




  • AhkanAhkan Member Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @Khizan

    Also, to be fair. At this point there are a lot of players with 2-5 classes who pk based on what they're feeling at the time, which is something to be mindful of. It's one of the things that sets Demonic apart. Khizan will yell at you to change professions, but will relent and help you figure out how to do the best with what you're currently in. See: Bathan.
  • IluvIluv Member Posts: 703 ✭✭✭✭
    Wysrias said:
    Iluv said:
    Daegger hunt damage scales with Int but not enough to actually matter. Might be worth looking into. Also, daemonite is currently useless, there is opportunity there to work in some damage.

    <640/610h 632/610m 0B 0> <eb db>
    The whirling daegger plunges into your flesh.
    H -20c [3.3%] [60]

    The daemonite flies at you, poking and jabbing at you with its stubby fingers.
    H -43c [7.0%] [83]

    :(


    I mean through the classlead system.
  • WysriasWysrias Member Posts: 410 ✭✭✭✭
    I... know that. I was showing off my wonderful int-scaling damage at the moment. If you had told me hunt scaled from intelligence currently, I would have never believed you.


  • CelestineCelestine Member Posts: 244 ✭✭✭
    Lalitana said:
    A cute little armadillo waddles in from the east.
    An armadillo bends over and picks up a wooden torch.
    Uh oh. A new revolt?!
    image
  • AhkanAhkan Member Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's gonna be sad seeing that cute little guy on the wooden raft all the time :(
  • SarriusSarrius Member, Beta Testers Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ahkan said:

    It's gonna be sad seeing that cute little guy on the wooden raft all the time :(

    Why? I am sure the woodlings will lend him aid. >:(

    UNCITIZEN ARMADILLO
    <div>Message #2062&nbsp; Sent By: (imperian)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Received On: 1/20/2018/2:59</div><div>"Antioch has filed a bounty against you. Reason: Raiding Antioch and stealing Bina, being a right</div><div>****, and not belonging anywhere near Antioch till he grows up."</div>
  • ArakisArakis Member Posts: 163 ✭✭✭
    (System): Someone says, "Oh my god. Why does this system eat moonwort when I try to mudsex."
  • IniarIniar Member Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Imperian's Viagra
    wit beyond measure is a Sidhe's greatest treasure
  • GurnGurn Member Posts: 789 ✭✭✭✭

    Arakis said:
    (System): Someone says, "Oh my god. Why does this system eat moonwort when I try to mudsex."

    If it's done before, it's because you're nice to your partner and want to make sure you aren't giving them anything you've caught from your various adventures.

    If it's eaten afterwards, you think they had something.
  • MenochMenoch Member Posts: 594 ✭✭✭
    Moonwort: For when you get dirty in a way you can't scrub off.
  • AzefelAzefel Member Posts: 730 ✭✭✭✭
    MAYBE USE EMOTE INSTEAD OF EM
  • ArakisArakis Member Posts: 163 ✭✭✭
    edited April 2014
    (System): Someone says, "Did you fix the mudsex bug? I'm running out of moonwort."

    They must not have much moonwort.
  • AzefelAzefel Member Posts: 730 ✭✭✭✭
    You shout, "Clark, I challenge you to a duel! Winner gets Celestine."

    Khizan shouts, "That seems like a lose/lose scenario!"
  • ClarkClark Member Posts: 24 ✭✭
    Azefel said:
    You shout, "Clark, I challenge you to a duel! Winner gets Celestine."

    Khizan shouts, "That seems like a lose/lose scenario!"
    What about puppies? :/
  • IniarIniar Member Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2014
    - You can now use AB <ability> to read ability helps. For example, AB MINDNET will behave the same as AB TELEPATHY MINDNET. 
    If an ability of the same name exists in multiple skills, only one is shown (those available to you get priority if 
    possible), the rest is listed below
    - Similarly, using HELP <ability> now shows the ability help if a help file of that name does not exist
    - HELP <skill name> now also lists the abilities within that skill
    Approve. Thanks Garryn. Need to find Azefel's picture of Kim Jung Un.
    wit beyond measure is a Sidhe's greatest treasure
  • AzefelAzefel Member Posts: 730 ✭✭✭✭
    image
  • IniarIniar Member Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bliss of Life
    -------------
    A restorative aura that will cause a person to rapidly regenerate health, mana, endurance and willpower.

    Boon of Change
    --------------
    A lucky aura that will increase the chance of critical hits, as well as the amount of gold creatures can drop.

    Fist of Terror
    --------------
    A strengthening aura that both increases damage dealt, and reduces damage taken.

    Why can't the Sukhder Aspect powers be like this :<
    wit beyond measure is a Sidhe's greatest treasure
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