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  • GurnGurn Member Posts: 789 ✭✭✭✭
    Mage is really interesting. There's already concerns about how balanced it is, but as with all new releases, everyone gets better at fighting against those professions later on and realizes that there are certain ways to cure and certain things to do to avoid being deadded. Trying to fight at higher levels now as Hunter is very difficult now for that very reason.

    It's powerful when in the hands of someone like Kryss, but the bottom line is that currently, mage is far too complicated to grasp for 90% of people who have the profession.

    So, besides making a guide and all that, my question is, how can we balance it so that professions are still good and complicated and fun for high tier professions, but still accessible for newbie and people trying to get into combat?
  • AhkanAhkan Member Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    See, that's what we thought in the beta. That's not turning out to be the case.

    Problem 1 is with icicles. It's an attunement stacking, sensitivity administering, damage relapsing newb button. (Something denied to intentionally Summoner)

    Problem 2 Mage really isn't -that- hard. You can really only focus on two elements and just spam the rest of the way there. Kryss isn't doing anything nearly as complicated as Azefel and she's actually registering more success milking the you can't cure water attunement spam disrupt cow.

    Affliction tracking as a mage is actually easier than other classes because the individual messages are there, especially the really important ones, like attunement.
  • AzefelAzefel Member Posts: 730 ✭✭✭✭
    I don't know why people still keep complaining that mage is 'complicated'. You don't really have to care about the affs, just the attunements. The affs are just there as buffer affs for attunements (since attunes are always cured after affs).

    That being said, I won't value the opinion of someone, who couldn't work with knight, too much, when it comes to anything PK-related.

    :(
  • IluvIluv Member Posts: 703 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2013
    The problem with mage is not that it is complicated but that they spam lethargy, confusion and disruption and you can't build
    an offense against that.
  • OzreasOzreas Member, Beta Testers Posts: 235 ✭✭✭✭
    A guide, you say, @Gurn? Very well, a-here we gooo

    Ozreas' 3-Step Guide to the Mage Profession

    First step: Crystalbinding: Choose something out of this skillset with which to augment every other cast. Your crystal will passively charge fast enough to support this with no worry of ever running out of charges, so long as you skip a spell between every use! Doesn't matter what you pick, as long as it gives an attunement or other herb affliction.

    Step 2: Icicles: Now, each spell cast has two slots, "primary" and "secondary". The word you should fill in for the "primary" field for each cast is icicles. If it aint icicles, it aint dead.

    Step C: ????: This step looks confusing, but it really isn't. Just pick almost anything else out of Pyroglacia or Terratheria that can be used as a secondary and slap it in the "secondary" field. Fantastic! Prime choices: knockout, suffuse, spray.

    Congratulations! Now you're ready to reap the rewards of being an all-powerful wizard! With any luck, you've found this introductory course both educational and fun, and are itching to crush your foolish enemies, so get to it, champ!


    Of course, much like Druid, the class does support more complex play styles for those looking for "challenge", "gratificatoin", or some other inane concept along those lines. Really, though, what's the fun in that?


  • SuralinaSuralina Member Posts: 86 ✭✭✭

    Ozreas said:
    for those looking for "challenge",

    See: No one who plays the two mentioned classes.
  • GurnGurn Member Posts: 789 ✭✭✭✭
    Ozreas said:
    A guide, you say, @Gurn? Very well, a-here we gooo

    Ozreas' 3-Step Guide to the Mage Profession

    First step: Crystalbinding: Choose something out of this skillset with which to augment every other cast. Your crystal will passively charge fast enough to support this with no worry of ever running out of charges, so long as you skip a spell between every use! Doesn't matter what you pick, as long as it gives an attunement or other herb affliction.

    Step 2: Icicles: Now, each spell cast has two slots, "primary" and "secondary". The word you should fill in for the "primary" field for each cast is icicles. If it aint icicles, it aint dead.

    Step C: ????: This step looks confusing, but it really isn't. Just pick almost anything else out of Pyroglacia or Terratheria that can be used as a secondary and slap it in the "secondary" field. Fantastic! Prime choices: knockout, suffuse, spray.

    Congratulations! Now you're ready to reap the rewards of being an all-powerful wizard! With any luck, you've found this introductory course both educational and fun, and are itching to crush your foolish enemies, so get to it, champ!


    Of course, much like Druid, the class does support more complex play styles for those looking for "challenge", "gratificatoin", or some other inane concept along those lines. Really, though, what's the fun in that?


    You should check your healing priority. I just went up against Kryss for 10 minutes and set literally 4 triggers and two highlights, and I'm having no trouble surviving against her.


    Knee-jerk reactions against new professions, seriously. 
  • IniarIniar Member Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2013


    Iniar, Aspect of Moradeim leaves to the west, a feeling of confusion leaving
    with him.

    Serendipity. Should have left it at that. Got baited by AM. :s
    wit beyond measure is a Sidhe's greatest treasure
  • SeptusSeptus Member, Beta Testers Posts: 781 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'll get you next time.
  • SarriusSarrius Member, Beta Testers Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I imagine Septus as Dr. Claw now.
    <div>Message #2062&nbsp; Sent By: (imperian)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Received On: 1/20/2018/2:59</div><div>"Antioch has filed a bounty against you. Reason: Raiding Antioch and stealing Bina, being a right</div><div>****, and not belonging anywhere near Antioch till he grows up."</div>
  • OzreasOzreas Member, Beta Testers Posts: 235 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2013
    @Gurn - I'm not of the opinion that my, admittedly humble, ability to change affliction priorities after the first couple engagements with a new class to shut down most of the BS revokes my right to be sarcastic regarding those abilities. 

    Also, on the topic of quotes:

    Kryss: H:92/418 (22%) -- M:292/418 (69%)
    <302/490h 159/460m 48.28x 0B 83D> <-- b> 
    You focus your mind intently on curing your mental maladies.
    You are now heavily attuned to the air element.
    <302/490h 136/460m 48.28x 0B 83D> <-- b> 
    You may eat another herb or plant.
    <302/490h 136/460m 48.28x 0B 83D> <-- b> 
    You take 1 nightshade root, bringing the total to 1374.
    You quickly eat a nightshade root.
    You are now lightly attuned to the earth element.
    <302/490h 136/460m 48.28x 0B 83D> <-- b> 
    You may eat another toadstool.
    <302/490h 136/460m 48.28x 0B 83D> <-- b> 
    ---Kryss committed HEALTH!---
    <302/490h 136/460m 48.28x 0B 83D> <-- b> 
    You take 1 toadstool, bringing the total to 906.
    You quickly eat a toadstool.
    Health Gain: 49
    You feel your health and mana replenished.
    <351/490h 182/460m 48.28x 0B 83D> <-- b> 
    Kryss quickly eats a toadstool.
    <351/490h 182/460m 48.28x 0B 83D> <-- b> 
    Kryss quickly eats a juniper berry.
    <351/490h 182/460m 48.28x 0B 83D> <-- b> 
    Kryss's aura of weapons rebounding disappears.
    Kryss snaps her fingers and flames burst out around you, negating your attempts to protect yourself from fire.
    You feel yourself fully attuned to the fire element.
    Kryss spins her fingers in a circle and a flaming bolt appears, racing swiftly towards you and causing you to lose your patience.
    Damage Taken: 26 fire, mental (raw damage: 40)
    You are afflicted with impatience.
    <324/490h 182/460m 48.28x 0B 83D> <-- b> 
    The night sky is clear, and the stars twinkle like diamonds.
    <324/490h 182/460m 48.28x 0B 83D> <-- b> 
    You may eat another herb or plant.
    <324/490h 177/460m 48.28x 0B 83D> <-- b> 
    You take 1 mandrake root, bringing the total to 734.
    You quickly eat a mandrake root.
    You are patient once again.
    You have cured impatience.
    <324/490h 177/460m 48.28x 0B 83D> <-- b> 
    + + + + TARGET SMOKED LINSEED + + + +
    <324/490h 177/460m 48.28x 0B 83D> <-- b> 
    You have regained your mental equilibrium.
    [Equilibrium!]
    <324/490h 177/460m 48.28x 0B 83D> <e- b> 
    You have recovered balance.
    You have balance! Press the attack!
    <324/490h 177/460m 48.28x 0B 83D> <eb b> 
    Kryss takes a drink from a carved tribal vial.
    <324/490h 177/460m 48.28x 0B 83D> <eb b> 
    You may drink another healing elixir.
    <324/490h 177/460m 48.28x 0B 83D> <eb b> 
    You take a drink of an elixir of health from a tarnished silver vial.
    Health Gain: 69
    The elixir heals your body.
    <393/490h 177/460m 48.28x 0B 83D> <eb b> 
    You will now aim your attacks wherever you see openings.
    You will no longer attempt to displace your attacks.
    You secure your previously wielded item and instantly draw a bardiche into your left hand.
    You rub some strychnine on a bardiche.
    With a lightning-quick motion, you slash Kryss with a bardiche.
    You rub some strychnine on a bardiche.
    With a lightning-quick motion, you slash Kryss with a bardiche.
    Balance Taken: 3.55s
    Raising your arms in a beckoning gesture, you cause the Rite of Seance to burst into flames and wreathe itself around Kryss.
    Equilibrium Taken: 3.17s
    <393/490h 177/460m 48.28x 0B 82D> <-- b> 
    You have regained the ability to purge your body.
    You may eat another herb or plant.
    <393/490h 177/460m 48.28x 0B 82D> <-- b> 
    Kryss quickly eats a maidenhair leaf.
    <393/490h 177/460m 48.28x 0B 82D> <-- b> 
    You take 1 nightshade root, bringing the total to 1373.
    You quickly eat a nightshade root.
    You are no longer attuned to the earth element.
    You have cured attuned to earth.
    <393/490h 177/460m 48.28x 0B 82D> <-- b> 
    Kryss focuses on her crystal, sending her strength to augment its power.
    Kryss has slain herself.
    Kryss has slain herself.

    :D
  • IniarIniar Member Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2013
    I'm such a dimwit.
    (Ring): Iluv says, "We'll bounce." -> Yes boss.
    543 543 | 700 700 <eb db> 3.31 T: Kryss Q: breach, paralyse
    Hiramius and Lelani enter from the east following Kryss, riding a banded tiger stallion.
    They are followed by a noble kestrel, a sapphire golem, an animated apple root, an animated 
    blackthorn root, and an animated hawthorn root.
    .. 
    530 543 | 700 700 <eb db> 3.31 T: Kryss Q: breach, paralyse
    You reach out and hastily scrawl the Mark of Cadmus and the Mark of Buul on Kryss.
    Equilibrium Taken: 2.75s (because I think I can)
    ..
    A shimmering, translucent image rises up before you, its glittering surface displaying the verdant 
    grasslands, soaring mountains, sprawling settlements and deep blue seas of the Aetherian mainland.
    458 543 | 677 700 <-b db> 3.31 T: Kryss Q: breach, paralyse
    You cannot move until you have regained equilibrium.
    Iluv, riding a giant bone-armoured vampire bat named Bartok, reaches out and touches the map, and 
    melts effortlessly into the image.
    ...
    296 543 | 585 700 <eb > 3.31 T: Kryss Q: breach, paralysetouch stavenn
    You suddenly find it more difficult to concentrate on curing physical afflictions.
    296 543 | 585 700 <eb > 3.31 T: Kryss Q: breach, paralyse
    The shimmering map folds up and vanishes into the ether.
    296 543 | 585 700 <eb > 3.31 T: Kryss Q: breach, paralyse
    There is no map here to touch.
    =(( slow typing skillz.
    Post edited by Iniar on
    wit beyond measure is a Sidhe's greatest treasure
  • AulaniAulani Member Posts: 199 ✭✭✭
    Khizan said:
    Septus said:
    You secure your previously wielded item and instantly draw a wicked halberd with stylized mangos into your left hand.
    I hate you so much.
    Step one: Acquire mangos.
    Step two: Affix mangos to weapons.
    Step three: ???
    Step four: World domination.

    Why do you hate my design? :(
  • AhkanAhkan Member Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2013
    Step one: Go AM.
    Step two: Stay AM.
    Step three: ???
    Step four: World domination.

    Corrected.


  • EldrethEldreth Member Posts: 430 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2013
    Doesn't matter which of the three circles you are...you aren't safe from Septus :(

    Ps- That combo brought me from 355-0. DIAF
    “We abjure labels. We fight for money and an indefinable pride. The politics, the ethics, the moralities, are irrelevant."
    image
  • AhkanAhkan Member Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Gogo, classleads. Putting staffcast after claymore dsl.

    (It's a shame people don't relate this to bellow)
  • KhizanKhizan Member Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2013
    Ahkan said:
    Step one: Go AM.
    Step two: Stay AM.
    Step three: ???
    Step four: World domination.

    Corrected.


      Dias dislikes that because he failed at step #2. :P

    "On the battlefield I am a god. I love war. The steel, the smell, the corpses. I wish there were more. On the first day I drove the Northmen back alone at the ford. Alone! On the second I carried the bridge! Me! Yesterday I climbed the Heroes! I love war! I… I wish it wasn’t over."

  • EldrethEldreth Member Posts: 430 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2013
    A shimmering, translucent image rises up before you, its glittering surface displaying the verdant
    grasslands, soaring mountains, sprawling settlements and deep blue seas of the Aetherian mainland. <--- MY UNI CARD
    ----
    The plane of prismatic light disappears.
    Azefel, Dagobert, and Samiel enter from the ether following Septus, riding a hulking velociraptor.
    ----
    With a lightning-quick motion, Lionas slashes Kliko with a Souledge Sabre.
    The final blow proves too much for Kliko, who falls to the floor a broken, bloody mess.
    =====Kliko HAS BEEN SLAIN!!!!!!!!=====
    Lionas has slain Kliko.
    You gasp with the realization that Tag has reached the pk level of Canonized.
    ----
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a young rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of an old rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of an old rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a young rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a baby rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of an old rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a young rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a baby rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a young rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a baby rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a black rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a young rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of an old rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a baby rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a young rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a young rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a young rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a young rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a young rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of an old rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a young rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a baby rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a young rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of an old rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a black rat.
    ----
    Ahkan and Anaya leave to the ether following Lionas, riding a blighted white mare.  <--- DON'T WORRY ABOUT ME AND TAG. HE JUST EARNED LIKE PK RANK 14..WE WILL BE FINE. i WOULD HAVE HATED TO SEE ALL THOSE RATS GO TO WASTE


    Azefel grabs a map of the Aetherian mainland with both of his hands and tears it in half. For a few
    seconds, the pieces shimmer in the air before bursting in a myriad of flaming fragments that leave
    behind the faintest trace of smoke.

    Septus stomps hard on a tattered map page of the Ruins of n'Aryanvella's foot with his heel.  <--- Septus being Septus


    2013/09/23 01:57:45 - Eldreth has been slain by Samiel.
    2013/09/23 01:58:02 - Eldreth has been slain by Septus.
    2013/09/23 01:58:07 - Tag has been slain by Azefel.


    In Khandava, it is pretty much all Lionas, all the time.


    “We abjure labels. We fight for money and an indefinable pride. The politics, the ethics, the moralities, are irrelevant."
    image
  • LionasLionas Member, Historian Posts: 765 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Page was there for a reason. Not my fault you didn't get out!
    I am the righteous one... 
    the claims are stated - it's the world I've created 
  • SeptusSeptus Member, Beta Testers Posts: 781 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Even the person in Australia beats my stomp map trigger. Fml.
  • AhkanAhkan Member Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The best part of that log is "get 50 rat" and he waited for balance back before using the map.
  • LionasLionas Member, Historian Posts: 765 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2013
    Nope. Get with separator, no balance.

    EDIT: The same alias also spams get body, which is why I used it.
    EDIT 2: 2013/09/23 01:59:11 - We've gained 291 belief thanks to Lionas.
    I am the righteous one... 
    the claims are stated - it's the world I've created 
  • SuralinaSuralina Member Posts: 86 ✭✭✭
    edited September 2013
    Eldreth said:
    Doesn't matter which of the three circles you are...you aren't safe from Septus :( Ps- That combo brought me from 355-0. DIAF
    JS but uhh... You already did DIAF
    :-/
  • IniarIniar Member Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lionas said:
    Nope. Get with separator, no balance.

    EDIT: The same alias also spams get body, which is why I used it.
    EDIT 2: 2013/09/23 01:59:11 - We've gained 291 belief thanks to Lionas.

    Next time, #trigger {Lionas picks up the corpse .*} {eyepoke Lionas}
    wit beyond measure is a Sidhe's greatest treasure
  • TagTag Member Posts: 4
    Eldreth said:
    A shimmering, translucent image rises up before you, its glittering surface displaying the verdant
    grasslands, soaring mountains, sprawling settlements and deep blue seas of the Aetherian mainland. <--- MY UNI CARD
    ----
    The plane of prismatic light disappears.
    Azefel, Dagobert, and Samiel enter from the ether following Septus, riding a hulking velociraptor.
    ----
    With a lightning-quick motion, Lionas slashes Kliko with a Souledge Sabre.
    The final blow proves too much for Kliko, who falls to the floor a broken, bloody mess.
    =====Kliko HAS BEEN SLAIN!!!!!!!!=====
    Lionas has slain Kliko.
    You gasp with the realization that Tag has reached the pk level of Canonized.
    ----
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a young rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of an old rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of an old rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a young rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a baby rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of an old rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a young rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a baby rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a young rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a baby rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a black rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a young rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of an old rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a baby rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a young rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a young rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a young rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a young rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a young rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of an old rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a young rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a baby rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a young rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of an old rat.
    Lionas picks up the corpse of a black rat.
    ----
    Ahkan and Anaya leave to the ether following Lionas, riding a blighted white mare.  <--- DON'T WORRY ABOUT ME AND TAG. HE JUST EARNED LIKE PK RANK 14..WE WILL BE FINE. i WOULD HAVE HATED TO SEE ALL THOSE RATS GO TO WASTE


    Azefel grabs a map of the Aetherian mainland with both of his hands and tears it in half. For a few
    seconds, the pieces shimmer in the air before bursting in a myriad of flaming fragments that leave
    behind the faintest trace of smoke.

    Septus stomps hard on a tattered map page of the Ruins of n'Aryanvella's foot with his heel.  <--- Septus being Septus


    2013/09/23 01:57:45 - Eldreth has been slain by Samiel.
    2013/09/23 01:58:02 - Eldreth has been slain by Septus.
    2013/09/23 01:58:07 - Tag has been slain by Azefel.


    In Khandava, it is pretty much all Lionas, all the time.


    Hey! It was like 62! I'm getting better at KSing!
  • AmbroseAmbrose Member Posts: 197 ✭✭✭
    Eldreth said:
    MY UNI CARD
    I live on the line of a wet county and a dry county. The dry county is able to bypass the "no alcohol" rule by having a "private club" system that is a club by issuing a thing called a uni card. In my dimwittedness due to planes the past few days, I legitimately took a good 5 seconds to wonder what you were talking about in relation to alcohol. :(
  • OzreasOzreas Member, Beta Testers Posts: 235 ✭✭✭✭

    Elrith directs a forest basilisk to unleash a massive surge of psychic energy towards you. You wail and writhe in agony as the invisible assault relentlessly melts connections within your weakened brain.
    The confusion lifts from your mind and it is clear once again.
    Cured: confusion
    An odd sensation fills your mind momentarily as a concealed mental trigger activates.
    Strange, everything doesn't quite seem so simple anymore.
    You glance nervously around the room.
    Afflicted: stupidity
    Afflicted: loneliness

    lol
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