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Classleads Fall 2018
Ohm
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Classlead season is back. Buff engineer? Fosho! Let’s discuss classleads here.
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Gonna be spamming some DK classleads. Otherwise, only big things for me this round are reflections and fighting to keep the horde of Defiler classleads from neutering it.
Damage Taken: 187 magickal (raw damage: 164)
Damage Taken: 96 magickal (raw damage: 85)
One last edit as brought up by @Ohm. There are no artifacts that avoid afflictions that you can buy, but there are ways to prevent damage through artifacts. Something that benefits a bard ten fold.
Defiler has significantly better ability to handle damage, afflictions, to escape, to hinder, better damage in the buildup, entropy doesn't decay for 60 seconds and the buildup doesn't have any limitations to it.
A class that is timebomb to burst needs limitations, like being fragile, lacking escapes, poor holding and a limited window for that burst - All of these things are true of bard. If I screw up my burst, my offense is reset, and I have to begin again.
So, before you can compare the two, you'd need to do the following, at a minimum:
- Remove project.
- Make entropy decay constantly, forcing you to continually attack to have any chance to even maintain it.
- Drop Defiler to ringmail, remove a large chunk of their tanking ability.
- Remove whirlpool, woodheart, heartblood, treant entangle, block
- Drastically reduce the per-combo damage in the buildup to the finisher
You have a choice, balance wise: You get to be a big timebomb burst class that's fragile and has strict limitations in other ways, or you get to be a resilient class with lots of survival tricks and escape and tank.
The problem with Defiler is that it is both a big damage timebomb class and has a huge number of ways to survive.
Edit: A good way to highlight my point... as a bard, I have 37% magick resist, with all the available artifacts for such. You, as a Defiler, have 49% magick resist, a significantly higher amount. I know that your other resists - across the board - Are also higher, in the case of the physical ones, by an even wider margin.
In addition to this, that combo you're showing as typical of Bard damage happened during a team fight. You were being hit by 3-4 people, and very likely had sensitivity amongst other things that would impact the damage. Conversely, you've chosen favourable conditions for your Defiler combos - I've seen you combo for in excess of 450, without any extra bonuses, vs someone with a max of 550~ health. This is notable because Bard damage scales strongly to max health, so for a Bard to pull that off, you'd effectively have to be sat with autocuring off and sensitivity stuck.
Defiler outdamages bard in the buildup to burst, it outdamages bard in the actual finisher burst, it's harder to avoid defiler burst because of the way entropy functions, defiler is tankier to both damage and afflictions, is better at holding, escaping and it's far, far better in team fights because it can flood, block, waterwalk and avoid death using woodheart. On top of all this, the damage type Defiler uses is harder to resist and they get a skill to drastically reduce resists to it. Even without factoring in psysap and the difficulty in getting psychic resists, Defiler tops bard by every possible metric except for "Has a songbird".
I mean, if you're willing to give up all those things and have your damage tweaked down a bit, then hey - Maybe you can compare the two!
Defiler has better damage in the buildup, a better burst finisher, better tanking of both affs and damage, better team utility and more kill routes than bard.
If you're going to just reel off bard skills, state why they're powerful. You cite songbird, therapeutics - Yet Defiler has better aff handling than those. You cite befuddle and songs, yet Defiler has better resists by a large margin. You have better bonus regen than songs, better aff handling, you get to shrug toxins with not just one but two skills.
You list 5 or so skills that add to bards ability to survive, but you completely ignore that Defiler does all of those things better than Bard. You do 100 to 180 per combo in your buildup, straight out of the gate. The only thing that's even close to similar across the two classes is the burst damage, and guess what? Bard burst is lower, it's easier to avoid, and they rely heavily on one damage type.
As an experiment - Post your full RESISTS, please?
That's mine. I have resist rings, miniskills, level 3 shield, arti armour, all my bard defs up. My guess is that all your resists are higher, and not by a small margin.
Magick as a circle has a hard time hindering/holding people in a team fight, and basically, every circle needs to have somewhat weaker holding (although, not what amounts to no holding or Septus will never die, ever), or every circle needs to have very hard holds that practically turn Imperian into a cage fight (but a cage fight for everyone, still not a game I'd probably relish, but at least then everyone can realize how much being on the wrong end of a cage fight sucks).
Yes, Defiler has better team utility.
protect the sentries while they do the job. The speed of this process depends on the
sentries available, capped at 10. Syntax: BEACON ATTACK.
The flash nerf was necessary and did exactly what it was intended to.
As for sentries... You don't walk into city guards then complain they killed you. Don't walk into clots of sentries.
E: Man, it's truly baffling how someone can defend "fight the giant clot!" because it's working to their advantage right now.
Also:
[12/09/2018 - 23:28:57.756]: --- Beneath the Sycamore trees -- -1:-6:0 ---<br>[12/09/2018 - 23:28:57.759]: The stars twinkle in the clear night sky. A dense crown of small branches and twigs tops the thin trunk of a sweet-smelling crab apple tree. A quartz beacon is here, bearing the flag of the City of Kinsarmar. An icewall is here, blocking passage to the northwest. A small wooden elephant carving rests on the ground. Floating in the air is a fiery portal. A red-headed, leather clad fairy hovers here, emitting a vaguely audible tick. There are 11 corpses of a sentry of Khandava here. There are 21 sentries of Khandava here. There are 2 sentries of Khandava here, sleeping soundly. There are 28 corpses of a sentry of Kinsarmar here. Its body shuddering in anticipation, this twisted treant warps the very land about it here. High Priestess Caitryn Aertsen, The Primordial Embrace is here, giving off a truly ghastly stench. is here. She wields an iron-tipped whip in her left hand. Kabaal Lynne, the Petulant Peacock is here, giving off a truly ghastly stench. is here, hidden. He wields a black ophidian shield of articulated plates in his left hand and a metallic desublimator in his right. Villain Eochaid Xianfu is here, giving off a truly ghastly stench. is here, wreathed in a cloud of bile. She wields a Darkwood flail in her left hand and a lunar shield in her right.<br>[12/09/2018 - 23:28:57.759]: You see a single exit leading northwest.<br>[12/09/2018 - 23:28:57.760]: You sense Vaughn has entered your location.That's when I began using larger groups of sentries - Because someone did it to us, first.
If it's 'Working As Intended', the intent is awful. Just stick to posting Defiler nerfs instead of arguing for a long-term snowball utilizing some of IRE's worst mechanics and posting laughably bad opinions about Summoner's state right now.
If a Summoner can't kill people right now the problem isn't the profession, it's the Summoner.